Become a vegetarian! its eco!

August 23, 2008 at 09:04 pm - by xkenneh (341 Posts)
if you wanna help the enviro.! stop killing it! :( im a vegitarian and the food isnt bloody!! its uuber yummeh! think about it.. okay? and its a battle against obesity.. kinda.. if you eat good! raw food sounds cool too! :)

September 29, 2009 at 01:53 pm - by thechrisj (13 Posts)
I believe in Plant Rights. You vegatarians are so cruel, harming Gods defensless creatures. They can't even fight back. How unfair! Plus we need to eat cows, so their cow farts don't break the ozone layer. Not to mention vegatarians kill plants that take harmful CO2 and make it into clean O2. Meat eaters are saving this planet, and vegatarians are killing it. Eat meat!

September 23, 2009 at 07:13 pm - by i_Cera (1 Posts)
wow an eco-friendly veggie-person u know i am one myself, i did it because i believe animals deserve respect and its unfair to them. But i dont think it makes a difference to the enviro. :(

May 19, 2009 at 04:41 pm - by forezt (4 Posts)
Meat is Murder on the Environment, says a recent article from New Scientist.

May 19, 2009 at 07:22 am - by Lucky-JJ (3 Posts)
I'd like to point out that since meat cells do not have cell walls they are easier to break down. Thus meat is absorbed easier by our digestive systems. As for the argument that you would need less plant mass; if there were no meat consumption then there would need some kind of animal population control. It is true that eventually the animal population will balance itself, however, that takes generations and can cause a large imbalance. At the moment we have hundreds of animals in farms for meat and if we released a percentage of them (Assuming we don't want to mass-kill them) then the enviromental balance would be thrown off massively. Think about how a hundred cows (equal about one farm) would affect the nearby area if they were released.

May 19, 2009 at 07:22 am - by Lucky-JJ (3 Posts)

I'd like to point out that since meat cells do not have cell walls they are easier to break down. Thus meat is absorbed easier by our digestive systems. As for the argument that you would need less plant mass; if there were no meat consumption then there would need some kind of animal population control. It is true that eventually the animal population will balance itself, however, that takes generations and can cause a large imbalance. At the moment we have hundreds of animals in farms for meat and if we released a percentage of them (Assuming we don't want to mass-kill them) then the enviromental balance would be thrown off massively. Think about how a hundred cows (equal about one farm) would affect the nearby area if they were released.

May 18, 2009 at 06:48 am - by Mazin (12 Posts)
It's a rule of thumb in biology that each predator/prey level of an ecosystem has only about 10% of the energy of the previous level. That says that out of all the energy that goes into the plants, only about 10% of it goes to the herbivores. The rest is irretrievably lost. So, the vegetarians' point is that if humans eat plants directly, we would only need about 10% as much plantmass to feed everybody compared to using ten times as much plant mass to feed cows to feed an equivalent number of humans. plants => 90% energy loss => humans plants => 90% energy loss => cows => 90% energy loss => humans

May 18, 2009 at 06:48 am - by Mazin (12 Posts)

It's a rule of thumb in biology that each predator/prey level of an ecosystem has only about 10% of the energy of the previous level. That says that out of all the energy that goes into the plants, only about 10% of it goes to the herbivores. The rest is irretrievably lost.

So, the vegetarians' point is that if humans eat plants directly, we would only need about 10% as much plantmass to feed everybody compared to using ten times as much plant mass to feed cows to feed an equivalent number of humans.

plants => 90% energy loss => humans

plants => 90% energy loss => cows => 90% energy loss => humans

May 16, 2009 at 05:23 pm - by MustardChef (2 Posts)
Being a vegetarian is fine as long it remains a personal choice and not a dogma. A few extra vegetarians in this country would definitely be a good thing for the environment, for a variety of reasons including less cow farts (that contribute to global warming) and less energy used up to feed and transport livestock. In addition, a vegetarian is less likely to have obesity-related issues. But seriously, animal control really doesn't have much to do with how much meat we eat. Consider the 35 million cattle the U.S. slaughters every year. They were human-bred and their numbers solely depend on the demand meat-eaters in the U.S. have. If there was less demand, there would be less cattle raised for food and thus less energy wasted. And as for deers and coyotes.. who hunts them for meat? I mean, come on, more vegetarians doesn't mean their numbers will suddenly explode due to lack of demand for their meat. I'm sure none of us here eat coyote meat :]

May 16, 2009 at 05:23 pm - by MustardChef (2 Posts)

Being a vegetarian is fine as long it remains a personal choice and not a dogma. A few extra vegetarians in this country would definitely be a good thing for the environment, for a variety of reasons including less cow farts (that contribute to global warming) and less energy used up to feed and transport livestock. In addition, a vegetarian is less likely to have obesity-related issues.

But seriously, animal control really doesn't have much to do with how much meat we eat. Consider the 35 million cattle the U.S. slaughters every year. They were human-bred and their numbers solely depend on the demand meat-eaters in the U.S. have. If there was less demand, there would be less cattle raised for food and thus less energy wasted.

And as for deers and coyotes.. who hunts them for meat? I mean, come on, more vegetarians doesn't mean their numbers will suddenly explode due to lack of demand for their meat. I'm sure none of us here eat coyote meat :]

May 16, 2009 at 01:42 pm - by Congero (6 Posts)
I just want to put out two things for perspective: Difference between Animal Cruelty and Animal Control Remember what happened after Steve Erwin died from a sting ray? All of those fans went out to the beach and started killing a whole bunch of ray fish to get revenge. That is animal cruelty! They just did it because they could. But Animal Control is actually good for the environment. If deer (for example) were to just roam free with out any hinderence, they would become overpopulated and actually die out. Look it up if you don't believe me. More would die by that than from "Human" interference. If you get lucky you might be able to find a graph to illistrate my point. In fact, this is 10th grade science, guys. Just simple biology. Also, in some third world countries (especially in Africa), hunting is the only way of getting food. Would you have them starve their children instead of hunting? Hunting is not wrong, it's the obsessive pleasure of it that is. (That reminds me of the movie "Pest" where the guy brings people to his island so he could hunt them. That illistrates my point, don't kill for the meer enjoyment) Obsessive Vegetarians Don't torture yourself just because of what you heard about the cruelty of animals. (I won't lie though, it use to be very bad in the meat packing industries; but they now have laws put up to prevent that). I'm not saying to give up being a vegetarian, but don't be a vegetarian just to conform. One thing I want to say, is don't get so caught up in the fact that animals die from humans. Animals kill humans all the time (note: I'm not suggesting justification, but introducing perspective). Also, don't become so obsessive that you try to vandilize animal experiments and food exports just to get your point across: you will only get in legal trouble, and you will fail. None of you guys are from CA by any chance? Here's an example of what I mean when I say "obsessive vegetarianism": I used to live in Sacremento a while back, and a ton of people were vegetarian there. Some were super crazy (like anti-human crazy, not just vegetarian) that one even freaked out when my dad ate a hamberger at work. My father was told to never bring in "another dead carcus" into the building again very threateningly. I'm not anti-vegetarian (and I don't encourage people be anti-vegetarian). If its one of your beliefs, don't give it up (hindu,etc). But don't do it for no reason. Don't act like it's a crisis or anything. Don't shun people just because they eat meat. Being vegetarian really isn't that big of a deal when you contrast it with other things in the world (war in iraq for example). Besides, Eco isn't really about being vegetarian; it's about being active in the community and serving, not condemning people for their beleifs. Otherwise I would make my own anti-communist forum! (or even my own fan club:)

May 16, 2009 at 01:42 pm - by Congero (6 Posts)

I just want to put out two things for perspective:

Difference between Animal Cruelty and Animal Control

Remember what happened after Steve Erwin died from a sting ray? All of those fans went out to the beach and started killing a whole bunch of ray fish to get revenge. That is animal cruelty! They just did it because they could.

But Animal Control is actually good for the environment. If deer (for example) were to just roam free with out any hinderence, they would become overpopulated and actually die out. Look it up if you don't believe me. More would die by that than from "Human" interference. If you get lucky you might be able to find a graph to illistrate my point. In fact, this is 10th grade science, guys. Just simple biology.

Also, in some third world countries (especially in Africa), hunting is the only way of getting food. Would you have them starve their children instead of hunting? Hunting is not wrong, it's the obsessive pleasure of it that is. (That reminds me of the movie "Pest" where the guy brings people to his island so he could hunt them. That illistrates my point, don't kill for the meer enjoyment)

Obsessive Vegetarians

Don't torture yourself just because of what you heard about the cruelty of animals. (I won't lie though, it use to be very bad in the meat packing industries; but they now have laws put up to prevent that). I'm not saying to give up being a vegetarian, but don't be a vegetarian just to conform.

One thing I want to say, is don't get so caught up in the fact that animals die from humans. Animals kill humans all the time (note: I'm not suggesting justification, but introducing perspective). Also, don't become so obsessive that you try to vandilize animal experiments and food exports just to get your point across: you will only get in legal trouble, and you will fail.

None of you guys are from CA by any chance? Here's an example of what I mean when I say "obsessive vegetarianism": I used to live in Sacremento a while back, and a ton of people were vegetarian there. Some were super crazy (like anti-human crazy, not just vegetarian) that one even freaked out when my dad ate a hamberger at work. My father was told to never bring in "another dead carcus" into the building again very threateningly.

I'm not anti-vegetarian (and I don't encourage people be anti-vegetarian). If its one of your beliefs, don't give it up (hindu,etc). But don't do it for no reason. Don't act like it's a crisis or anything. Don't shun people just because they eat meat. Being vegetarian really isn't that big of a deal when you contrast it with other things in the world (war in iraq for example). Besides, Eco isn't really about being vegetarian; it's about being active in the community and serving, not condemning people for their beleifs. Otherwise I would make my own anti-communist forum! (or even my own fan club:)

May 15, 2009 at 01:41 pm - by natrix (1 Posts)
I would have to disagree with the statement "Become a vegetarian! its eco!" because without animals, such as deer or coyote, being harvested their population would drasticaly increase. The plant growth would not be able to compete with the wildlife, and the forest, prarie, ect. would be demolished. Thus being the ruin of that enviroment. Any of the resources that were once used, now would no loger be avalable. In turn, the cities neighboring that enviroment wouldn't be able to collect the resources they once did, which would hurt their economies. Those cities would no longer have the resources to export materials to other cities or counries. This would eventualy lead the whole world into a severe economic depression that could last decades. Finally it could be the ruin of the hunman race.

May 15, 2009 at 01:41 pm - by natrix (1 Posts)

I would have to disagree with the statement "Become a vegetarian! its eco!" because without animals, such as deer or coyote, being harvested their population would drasticaly increase. The plant growth would not be able to compete with the wildlife, and the forest, prarie, ect. would be demolished. Thus being the ruin of that enviroment. Any of the resources that were once used, now would no loger be avalable. In turn, the cities neighboring that enviroment wouldn't be able to collect the resources they once did, which would hurt their economies. Those cities would no longer have the resources to export materials to other cities or counries. This would eventualy lead the whole world into a severe economic depression that could last decades. Finally it could be the ruin of the hunman race.

January 1, 2009 at 06:22 pm - by devsnapshot (7 Posts)
Eating only plants/non-meats can be a healthy lifestyle, but I don't understand how it effectively helps the environment at all.

January 2, 2009 at 10:50 am - by RockyMtnBrain (66 Posts)
Here's a quick read, some "food for thought": http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/3/657S

September 29, 2008 at 01:09 pm - by volpe14 (1 Posts)
well ive been a vegitarian for two years :) and actually ive gained weight so really its not a battle against obesity and i do eat good..scratch that i eat great!...i loves me them boca burgers!

August 24, 2008 at 07:44 pm - by xkenneh (341 Posts)
hahah i kn ow! thats called veganism! theyshould study up! anyways imglad im able to eat bread still :)

August 24, 2008 at 07:39 pm - by bestestmister (66 Posts)
Im a vegatarian and people always ask me if i drink milk..........

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